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>>12863099
In truth, none of them show the MC experiencing any growth or change. >>12863105
Not true, Ichigo was suicidal during volume one of Bleach and he learned to be self-serving and preservational towards the end of the manga.

Your fortune: （　´_ゝ`）ﾌｰﾝ >>12863099
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Your fortune: Very Bad Luck >>12863119
Nothing ever happens here...

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He kept rushing in without a plan throughout the story, including TYBW. >>12863122
We live in a society >>12863117
he should be arrested for drawing that >>12863124
He had a plan in Hueco Mundo, it just failed.

He also had a plan to stop the Quincies in the destroyed Soul Society, which was allied with Kyoraku's plan, but that also failed.

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dubs

that's not true. you just can't see it because you're not wearing the goggles.

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Your fortune: Reply hazy, try again >>12863128
>He had a plan in Hueco Mundo, it just failed.
Charging in saying "I'll just crush them" after barely coming on top in his clash with Grimmjaw isn't a plan.
>He also had a plan to stop the Quincies in the destroyed Soul Society,
See above.
>>12863105
"Character development" is such a meme. I hate that it's a requirement in every work of fiction that the main character has to start with traits A, B and C, and finish with traits X, Y and Z.

Because in real life people aren't actually like that. We're not limited to a few traits and can only change over some long arc of development. We're largely static, but infinitely complex. The way we act and the traits we exhibit are limited only by our conditions.

Here's one example from literature: Atticus Finch from To Kill A Mockingbird. Throughout the novel he's shown to be quiet, mild, polite and soft-spoken. However in one chapter there's a rabid dog loose in the streets that even the police were afraid of. Without any hesitation, Atticus gets his rifle, goes out into the street, puts the dog in his sights and takes him out. Was this an act of character development where the meek, soft spoken Atticus undergoes hardship and is transformed into a total fearless badass? No, he's still the same Atticus. But we learn he's more than just a soft spoken meek man- placed into a situation where he feels the need to defend his loved ones, he rises to the situation without hesitation. He's gentle yet brave.

This wasn't character development, it was character exploration, and seeing as how every human is infinitely complex I find it a far better device for story telling. Even we don't understand ourselves fully, so we shouldn't understand our characters fully. We should explore them instead trying to change them from character X to character Y and calling it character development. >>12863138
The plan to stop Aizen was to travel to Hueco Mundo and destabilize the Arrancar stronghold with the help of Ishida and Chad, to do that they would need not only entrance to Hueco Mundo, but a feasible way to rescue Inoue from harm, so they went there with the permission of Urahara and Soul Society, who also backed them up.

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>"Character development" is such a meme. I hate that it's a requirement in every work of fiction that the main character has to start with traits A, B and C, and finish with traits X, Y and Z.
I wholeheartedly agree. I was only answering the question in the OP, not representing my thought on it. >>12863152
They went there thinking it was against soul society's wishes (which is the only reason Ichida came). There was no goal other than to rescue Inoue.
>>12863150
Character development is one of the most basic cornerstones of an accomplished writer. The bildungsroman is literally a category people write fiction and non-fiction stories for, people have won pulitzers specifically for this category. I don't see how you want to invalidate an entire history of narrative just because you don't like it.

Just look at any character from The Outsiders. Did Ponyboy become a strong, able-bodied gangster after watching his friends get stabbed up? No. Instead he turned to poetry, and learned how to keep his head in a risque situation, which ended up saving the lives of many of his friends. Or look at Theodore Decker, did he steal to live? Sure, but did stealing ever make him friends in the wrong places? Of course not. No matter how much money or attention he stole, he was always gifted with more opportunities to correct his behavior, and despite that, he still tried to be a shitty person because he believed growing up was acknowledging that art was all a big adventure. Theodore is a great example of modernist interpretations on masculinity and growing up, because audiences don't want a mature protagonist that earns his way into people's hatred, they want one that makes mistakes and fucks up all the time.

Your fortune: Very Bad Luck >>12863160
That's still a serviceable plan, and for all Ichigo knew at the time, it would work.

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How would it work if Ichigo could barely overcome the number 6 espada, let alone Aizen? >>12863165
I think my problem with the modern interpretation of character development is that instead of
more of the character being revealed, it ends up with the character changing into someone completely different. >>12863172
He underwent training specifically to master the hollow inside of him, which also surprised Unohana when they ran through the void back to Karakura Town.

Your fortune: Godly Luck >>12863176
Theodore didn't change a whole lot, which was the point. He was a frightened little kid when he stole the painting, and he was a frightened little kid when he proposed to Kitsey. All he knew how to do was protect the small boy inside of him, but that gradual, defeatist, wall of maturity made him acceptable to people. That's what people count as maturity, the ability to socialize those mature talking points.

The same thing happened to Rusty James. The masculine idea of bravado and chauvanism changed who he was on the outside, but the small, inclement changes on the inside were so subtle and divisive, it's a miracle the person's identity survived at all.

Your fortune: （　´_ゝ`）ﾌｰﾝ >>12863180
>He underwent training specifically to master the hollow inside of him
That was before Inoue was captured, when she disappeared he rushed there without thinking.
>which also surprised Unohana when they ran through the void back to Karakura Town.
What surprised Unohana was that Ichigo had twice the reiatsu of a normal captain, this has nothing to do with his hollow form. >>12863199
>What surprised Unohana was that Ichigo had twice the reiatsu of a normal captain,

Which was the result of his hollow training

Your fortune: Excellent Luck >>12863201
>Which was the result of his hollow training
The act of hollowfication increases one's reiatsu while hollowfied, not in general.
While they were returning to Karakura, Ichigo wasn't in his hollow form. >>12863212
Hollowfication also gives the person a greater sense of mastery over their reiatsu, which was retained numerous times thoughout his near-death experiences with hollowfication. Although this put Ichigo at a disadvantage because he loses most of himself with each transformation.

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Even if you accept his increased reiatsu, it doesn't change the fact that he went there while only being able to hollowfy for 10 seconds at a time, and still only overpowering grimmjaw by a relatively small margin.
The case for his invasion of Hueco Mundo not being suicidal is non-existent. >>12863233
It's true, the audience knew he was on a suicide mission, but Ichigo didn't know that for sure.

Most of Ichigo's traps are one-way trips, but that's what makes Bleach special. The whole manga is kicked off with the notion that suicide is pointless.

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He knew that there were 5 espada stronger than grimmjaw and that Aizen was even stronger.
If Ichigo didn't think it was suicide, it's only because he refused to acknowledge that.
This showcases the fact that he hasn't changed. >>12863242
He knew there were people stronger than him, but he also knew his mission was to rescue Inoue and stop Aizen. No matter how you look at it, confrontation with Aizen was basically inevitable; the least they could hope for was a quick escape, and they would have had one if hollowfication didn't dramatically change the setting of the battlefield from order to chaos. Even Ishida wasn't sure who's side Ichigo was on after that, and he hates disloyal people. Ichigo has always had good instincts and even more reliable friends, but he also has really bad luck.

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